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Post by wingedzion on Oct 21, 2006 16:56:06 GMT -5
So, I've been just a tad infatuated with the whole anorexic/belimic scene lately. Like I'm very interested in their lifestyles, and how they surrvive and such. But anyway, this is my question, why do people frown upon it like it's such a horrible thing. It's a disease like any other disease. It's like depression, you have it, then it has you. Sure becoming anorexic/belimic is free will but after that, once you're realed in it's a disease and you cannot control. So why do people think about it like it's such a horrible thing? Where do you stand on this issue?
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 21, 2006 19:56:31 GMT -5
Hey okay, I'm just gonna move this real fast, over to Debate. K?
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 21, 2006 20:00:38 GMT -5
OKay, see, I don't even think it's a free choice to begin with. No more than depression is a free choice. I mean, anorexia really is BIID, brought on by depression. Neither one optional. And it's frowned upon just as severley as both because, well, it is both, and it's just as bad as both.
When you lose weight in such a manner, and so severly, there's not only starvation that can cause a problem, but it also screws up your heart, your blood, your digestive system, everything. It's a VERY DEADLY disease, and it's not so much "frowned upon" as seen as something horrible that who ever has it should be helped in order to save them.
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Post by LeatherPleasure on Oct 21, 2006 20:35:01 GMT -5
Some people think it's a choice. And choosing to harm yourself in the way Mercy described above is frowned on. Ok, I admit, I was stupid and I thought it was a choice, I didn't know it was an actualy disease. So ignorance or stupidity I guess.
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Post by wingedzion on Oct 22, 2006 20:37:53 GMT -5
OK. So basically the people who see it as a choice are the ones who frown upon it, and the others who see it as a disease just want to get them help?
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 22, 2006 21:57:42 GMT -5
Gr, I mean, when you frown upon it, you know it's stupid to the person's health, and you know that they need help. Some people are just really stupid though and think it's a choice and really it isn't.
And I saw something several times that pisses me off. Yes, pro-ana sites are sad, and whatnot (different story) but it does NOT MAKE a person be anorexicor bulemic. If you end up with anorexia after visitng a site, you would have anyways! It was just an excuse! There are studies about how there is no difference in odds with anorexic people and websites. There are just as many if not more, anorexics who have never been to one of the sites, as those who have.
It's not a choice.
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Post by wingedzion on Oct 22, 2006 22:45:49 GMT -5
Yea. I don't think pro ana/mia sites really have anything to do with the act of develiping the disease. I think they are helpful in the progression of the disease, but ... I don't know. I know this might sound odd... but I agree with the sites. Ana/Mia is a lifestyle. It's a disease just as much, but it also becomes a lifestyle. And I for one am not against it. *hides* Don't yell at me please, that is just how I feel about it. I am not against depression or cancer... or diabetes, so for that matter I am not against anorexia/belemia. I mean, cancer or diabetes is just as much a lifestyle as a disease as well. You adapt to how you will have to live once you're diagnosed, thus it forms as a lifestyle... and yea. I don't know, maybe I am not making any sense to you, but that is how I see it.
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 23, 2006 16:55:22 GMT -5
It makes sense to me. I'm not against it, because, well, it is that persons disease and their problem, and I certainly would not smash down on something that is such a major role in their life. A disease like that is just, a part of your life. I would not however support it in any way.
The sites, I think they're well *gets shield* helpful to those who are anorexic or bulemic, because it helps them to no longer feel as alone, which could help them. I for one believe, once your in, your in, and a website is not going to make your disease or problem progress. The sites are at least communities and supports for those who do have it. Knowing your not alone can make all the difference in the world.
Neurotically Yours,
Mercedes
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Post by wingedzion on Oct 23, 2006 18:00:24 GMT -5
Yea. I think the media is so raged agianst the whole thing, with the fear of young girls and their perceptions. But really a young girl doesn't see herself any different than a middle aged woman sees herself. But anyway, I do think the sites are helpful to progress you farther. They give you tips on how to not eat, and things that are "OK" to eat and blah blah blah. They teach you how to cover up your vomet... and things like that. I think that can really help you progress farther in if that's what you are looking to do, if you are just looking for others who share the disorder, than no I don't think in that way they are helpful.
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 23, 2006 19:17:04 GMT -5
*Grr, typed up long strong argument and it didn't post!*
If you've gotten to the point of clinical anorexia, and you have not yet been caught or forcibly hospitalized, a site with other tips is not gonna take you in deeper. You've already gotten yourself there.
You don't need to be best online buddies with a person in order to not feel alone either. Just seeing someone else put up a site, and make that attempt to reach out to others is an amazing emotional lift, and when the site gives you places you can talk to others, hell yeah the site's helping to connect you to other people and break down that lonliness.
Neurotically Yours, Mercedes
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Post by LeatherPleasure on Oct 23, 2006 22:55:30 GMT -5
*puts n00blet self in conversation of genius minds* If it's a disease..can it be cured or helped? Wouldn't it be better just to accept but try to help yourself?
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Post by wingedzion on Oct 24, 2006 15:16:42 GMT -5
Once you are anorexic/belemic that's the way you are for the rest of your life. The people with the disease can begin eating again, but the thoughts of anorexic/beliemics are always in the back of their mind. It's an incurable disease. Anorexics/belemics can be nursed back to health, but they will always be anorexic/beliemic.
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Post by LeatherPleasure on Oct 24, 2006 17:46:40 GMT -5
ohhhhhhhhhh! So you just gotta have the strength to fight it! *gives the anorexic people a sword*
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Post by Rainbow_Acid on Oct 24, 2006 19:07:16 GMT -5
Not completely incurable. Sure you still have that nagging thought in the back of your head, but when you lose a leg you still feel phantom pain every now and again, it doesn't mean you've got your gangreen infested leg back, it just means your mind remembers. This doesn;t apply for all cases, not one size fits all when it coems to the recovery process for anything. But yes Erin, just like any disease, You just goot ahave the strength to fight it!
Neurotically Yours, Mercedes
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Post by wingedzion on Oct 24, 2006 19:15:53 GMT -5
Yes. And I was reading an article about some anorexic/belemic people in a magazine. It was very interesting. This one girl, she was belemic and her mom had an eating disorder as well, so she actually encouraged her daughter, and when her daughter lost more weight than she did she got jealous. It was very sad. Then another girl lost SIXTY pounds in only 2 months. She said every day she would never allow herself to eat anymore than like half a plum, or half a piece of toast. Then another girl who was pretty much fully recovered, she said that being too thin, it just doesn't work, but she still wished her stomach was flatter. So I think even after you are recovered you still aren't satisfied with your body, but you know after seeing so many ill people just like you at a recovery center that starving or binging and purging just isn't the way to do it.
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